Kwame Kwei-Armah

­­Port talks to the artistic director of the Young Vic about his latest co-production, Tree, a search for the soul and spirit of contemporary South Africa

If Idris Elba calls, you better pick up the phone. If he suggests collaborating on a musical play, it’s hard to say no. This is the enviable position Kwame Kwei-Armah has found himself in developing Tree, destined for the Manchester International Festival and shortly after, the Young Vic. Inspired by Elba’s album Mi Mandela, the show promises to examine the ghosts of South Africa’s past and where it stands today through participatory music and dance, placing the audience in the eye of the storm. That electric magic unique to theatre. 

It’s a “non-linear piece that will have the most amazing movement. It explores connecting to the line that you’ve come from and celebrating the discovery of all parts of you” notes Kwei-Armah. The theatrical polymath with an OBE for services to the arts – previously artistic director of Baltimore Center Stage – has written for the National Theatre, Donmar Warehouse and Tricycle Theatre, most recently taking the helm at the Young Vic in 2018. Ahead of the show, we spoke to him about South Africa’s innate creativity, confronting history and the vulnerability needed for theatre.   

You’ve known Idris for a long time, how did the collaboration come about?

It was organic. He called me one day and said would you consider adapting Mi Mandela into a musical. I’ve been a fan of Idris since we were teenagers – he was one of the first actors I looked at and thought, ‘you could be a superstar’. He was that beautiful. We’ve been trying to find a way to work with each other for years, so I gave it a listen and knew there was a way for me to contribute. He explained why he made the album, why he connects to South Africa, to dementia, to trees. It was essentially about his father dying and going back to South Africa to start the healing, a dance with grief. Going back to your roots to heal was ultimately why I wanted to produce it.

Why do think South Africa is such a wellspring of theatre?

Honestly, black South Africans are some of the most talented people on the earth. They are triple threats – they sing well, they dance well, they perform well. Particularly the South African work that I grew up with, that was born of a political scream and shout. So, when you combine that magnificent innate creativity and juxtapose it against a harsh environment, it actually brings out the best in artists. I am not in any way saying that artists need to live under Apartheid in order to make great work, but that the environment concentrates that talent. There is something in the water, something in that part of the land that allows for the combination of storytelling, activism and magic that naturally creates something transformational.

Likewise, Ireland during the last century has produced incredible theatre in response to conflict

Absolutely. One of my favourite plays in the world is The Plough and the Stars by Seán O’Casey. There is something about rebellion, pushing against being silenced, about having to find a way to bring your voice to the fore through creativity that is tremendously moving.

What can theatre offer to an audience that TV or film cannot come close to offering?

It’s three dimensions of a human being. To see them, to smell them, to see the spittle, the air, to sense the funk – to rub up against your reflection in a holistic sense. That’s what theatre gives us, it’s seeing the magic in front of your eyes. Cinema is magnificent and TV is brilliant, but they are removed. Having to dance with the sensibilities of another human being telling you a story, for your own education and your own entertainment, is magic to me. I still get a thrill every time I walk into a theatre no matter where I am in the world. I am in that place where stories are told, where communion happens. Theatre is, for the Western world today, our church. We go to commune with others. We go to seek guidance, reflect and refract upon it.

There’s a line from one of the songs called Hold On: “These walls are just make believe / They’ll cause you to doubt your dreams”. Are there any lyrics from the album that really resonate with you?

There’s a line from the song One: “I am as desperate as the hunted, as mad as the hunter”. I think as an artist I have to be both of those things. What is that duality that lives within me, how do I negotiate with it and how do I have it serve my narrative and not someone else’s? It’s complicated.

South Africa underwent truth and reconciliation in 1995, what do you think the region needs now in order to restore its confidence and settle its political unrest?

Modern South Africa must come to terms when moving from the first draft to the second draft of history. The generation who were ‘born free’, who didn’t grow up under Apartheid, still feel a disenfranchisement and many are not seeing the concrete effects of freedom in economic and social terms. The future South Africa must come to terms with its wealth distribution. It has to talk about the absolute disparity of land and wealth and how it can transfer it equally. How do you do that inclusively, and avoid making people feel as if South Africa is not their home? That is the challenge.

Does the UK also need to reconcile its problematic history?

It’s beginning to happen in places like Cambridge, Bristol and Glasgow – cities publicly discussing how they benefitted from the Transatlantic slave trade. We need to come to terms with that and reconcile these problems for our children’s sake. It’s about repair and healing. The United Kingdom has only just started to look at its history and how it affects the present. At the moment, we are experiencing an identity crisis, but we are in denial about this crisis. We have to think deeply about our past in order to negotiate our future.

How can we untangle occidental perspectives of Africa?

News media reporting on the continent do not need to lead with terror. The terror of poverty, corruption, war. There needs to be a balance of stories so that horror isn’t the dominant narrative, in the creative media too. Theatre can explore these traumas, but needs to complicate it, broaden it, in order to challenge stereotypes and change the world’s perception of Africa. How do we expose ourselves to the most three-dimensional take on other cultures that occupy this space we call earth?

Vulnerability is needed for that – what role do you think this plays in theatre?

Understanding other cultures, for example black culture, can mean walking into the theatre with the vulnerability of understanding your privilege and that some of your privileges are signs of omission, not commission. That ultimately, we are walking into safe spaces that strictly want us to be our best selves. Audiences have to allow themselves to be exposed to their ugly as well as their beautiful and realise that everyone is trying to tell these stories through a sense of love.

I come to every piece of work as a director and writer with huge vulnerability. We just finished the third draft of Tree and I am vulnerable. I can sit and take notes in rehearsals, but I actually have nothing until we have an audience. One of the things I’m trying to do with the show is make the audience integral to the storytelling. Now, I may succeed, I may not. There may be plot moves where we’re literally going up to the audience and asking them if he should go left or right. I’ve got to be ready for either. There are moments where I need the audience to take part in a rave – if they don’t, then I don’t have a show. For the first time in my life I am writing a show that has an actor in it I can’t rehearse with. It’s terrifying, but in the best way.

Tree runs at the Manchester International Festival from 29th June – 13th July 2019

Port x Superdry x Idris: Tiggs da Author

Port and Superdry celebrate the label’s AW/17 Idris Elba-designed collection with a shoot featuring emerging musician Tiggs da Author 

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After his vocals featured on Sway’s ‘Still Sway and Kane’, a remix of Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre’s ‘Still Dre’, Tiggs da Author, the young south London-based musician, was catapulted into the limelight. With a sound inspired by genres as broad as soul, grime and east-African jazz, since releasing the singles ‘Georgia’ and ‘Run’, Tiggs has enjoyed the plaudits of some of the industry’s biggest names – appearing on the albums of Tine Tempah, J Hus and Nines, as well as working on his own, debut album. Here, he speaks to Port about studio freestyling, Tanzanian jazz, and sampling Caesars’ 2003 hit ‘Jerk it Out’.

What was your earliest musical memory?

My mum singing Whitney Houston and Diana Ross around the house. As a teenager, it was Wiley and Dizzee Rascal, and a whole lot of garage and grime music.

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At what point did you consider making music as a career?

Pretty late to be honest – at the beginning I just enjoyed watching other people make music. I guess the more you hang around with other people who are making music, the more curious you’ll get about writing something, but I didn’t take it too seriously. My best friend was a DJ, and I used to come with him and watch him do radio sets. He had musical equipment in his house, so I started messing around on that. I started on the production side of things a few years down the line, that’s when I started to take it seriously as a career.

How did you find your style? 

At the beginning I didn’t really know too much about music, so I was just making what everyone else was making. The more I fell in love with it, the more I was thinking about it, and the more I started listening to different genres of music. When I went back to Tanzania, I started listening to music out there as well, which had a massive influence on the direction I took. I wanted to do something that was me, something which represented where I come from. So it’s pretty much a mixture of jazz and soul. 

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Would you say you were a London musician? How much influence has being in London had on your music?

I was born in Tanzania, and I moved to London when I was eight. London has had a massive influence on my music as it’s where I pretty much grew up. Everything I know is influenced by in my environment, but in the later stages of my music I went back to my roots and got more and more inspired by Tanzanian music – so both sides play a part.

What’s your creative process with making a new song?

It’s pretty much just freestyle, I don’t really plan it before I go to the studio, so it’s different every time. I just try and make it not feel like a job. It’s about what I’m influenced by day-to-day, so I might listen to a jazz record and feel like I might want to sample this – or I might have something that I already wanna speak about and then I’ll do it that way, so it all varies.

Your new single, ‘Work it Out’, how did that come about?

It was one of the first songs I loved when I heard it on FIFA ages ago. I came across it again a few months ago, and I thought I’d cover it and do my own version. I performed it a couple of times and got a great reaction, so I thought I might reach out to Caesars and work with them to rework the beat and make it more fresh. So I went out to Sweden and worked on that and we just loved it. 


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What role do these collaborations have in terms of your music, and in terms of music generally?

I think it’s really important – that’s the best way to get a really fresh sound. If everyone keeps doing the same thing you know exactly what to expect, but if two people put their brains together you never know what can be achieved. Especially with bands like Caesars, a lot of people might not speak about them now, because they’re from like a different generation, but it’s always good to try and bridge the gap and embrace the excellence they had, so people can find out about them now. And hopefully, people can talk about Caesars again, because they’re an amazing band.

What’s next, what are you working on now?

I’m working on a couple of projects, finishing off an album, and hopefully I’ll release a few songs before the end of the year. My main focus is finishing off my album, and probably do some other cool collaborations.

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